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		<title>By: ThinkAbtIt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThinkAbtIt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, thanks for posting back. Well, I&#039;m officially making myself a guinea pig. I&#039;d already done the cleaning about the same time I posted above so we shall see what happens with MPG. The real proof in the pudding would be if I could get a hold of a scan tool/logger and see how many times per second the O2&#039;s are updating as this will be the ultimate message whether the sensor is dead or not.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Larry&#039;s description too says &quot;clogs the pores&quot; and &quot;basically destroys the sensor&quot;, but if in that description he means the sensor is destroyed by the pores being clogged then my method &quot;MAY&quot; work. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m using the CRC electronic parts cleaner like a person would OXYCREAM for their face except for the sensor element by soaking it in there hoping to unclog the pores. I will post back and let you know what happens. I just wish I could get myself to buy a scan tool $$$. lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, thanks for posting back. Well, I&#8217;m officially making myself a guinea pig. I&#8217;d already done the cleaning about the same time I posted above so we shall see what happens with MPG. The real proof in the pudding would be if I could get a hold of a scan tool/logger and see how many times per second the O2&#8242;s are updating as this will be the ultimate message whether the sensor is dead or not.</p>
<p>Larry&#8217;s description too says &#8220;clogs the pores&#8221; and &#8220;basically destroys the sensor&#8221;, but if in that description he means the sensor is destroyed by the pores being clogged then my method &#8220;MAY&#8221; work. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m using the CRC electronic parts cleaner like a person would OXYCREAM for their face except for the sensor element by soaking it in there hoping to unclog the pores. I will post back and let you know what happens. I just wish I could get myself to buy a scan tool $$$. lol</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the oxygen sensor were merely a sensor like a temperature sensor, your cleaning routine might work. But that&#039;s not what an oxygen sensor is. It&#039;s really more like a battery. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here&#039;s a clip from Larry Carley&#039;s website (www.aa1car.com) on how an oxygen sensor works. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;The O2 sensor is a miniature generator and produces&lt;br/&gt;its own voltage when it gets hot. Inside the vented cover on&lt;br/&gt;the end of the sensor that screws into the exhaust manifold is&lt;br/&gt;a zirconium ceramic bulb. The bulb is coated on the outside&lt;br/&gt;with a porous layer of platinum.&lt;br/&gt;Inside the bulb are two strips of platinum that serve as&lt;br/&gt;electrodes or contacts. The outside of the bulb is exposed to&lt;br/&gt;the hot gases in the exhaust while the inside of the bulb is&lt;br/&gt;vented internally through the sensor body to the outside&lt;br/&gt;atmosphere.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So any contamination from coolant or RTV silicon, excessive oil, soot, etc, clogs the pores and basically destroys the sensor.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Feel free to clean it—I&#039;ve never seen it work. But if it does,  more power to you. I&#039;m betting that yours is toast. The only upside to cleaning is that it will be easier to remove when you have to install a new one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the oxygen sensor were merely a sensor like a temperature sensor, your cleaning routine might work. But that&#8217;s not what an oxygen sensor is. It&#8217;s really more like a battery. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a clip from Larry Carley&#8217;s website (www.aa1car.com) on how an oxygen sensor works. </p>
<p>&#8220;The O2 sensor is a miniature generator and produces<br />its own voltage when it gets hot. Inside the vented cover on<br />the end of the sensor that screws into the exhaust manifold is<br />a zirconium ceramic bulb. The bulb is coated on the outside<br />with a porous layer of platinum.<br />Inside the bulb are two strips of platinum that serve as<br />electrodes or contacts. The outside of the bulb is exposed to<br />the hot gases in the exhaust while the inside of the bulb is<br />vented internally through the sensor body to the outside<br />atmosphere.&#8221;</p>
<p>So any contamination from coolant or RTV silicon, excessive oil, soot, etc, clogs the pores and basically destroys the sensor.</p>
<p>Feel free to clean it—I&#8217;ve never seen it work. But if it does,  more power to you. I&#8217;m betting that yours is toast. The only upside to cleaning is that it will be easier to remove when you have to install a new one.</p>
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		<title>By: ThinkAbtIt</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThinkAbtIt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If there has been no backfire or physical damage/trauma to the sensor then why can&#039;t you simply clean the sensor element with CRC electronics parts cleaner or MAF cleaner?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From your photos my O2 sensor on the front upstream side had a coolant experience which I know I had a blown head gasket in the previous engine. Since then I&#039;ve gotten horrible 9-11mpg with the new engine though I have also determined my MAS was dirty and cleaned it as well as a likely faulty radiator cap (lack of proper coolant level in engine) and low speed cooling fan resistor which likely all are contributing to the bad MPG.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There was also a misfire condition in the old engine causing fuel to go down the exhaust as well and the top of this sensor at the wire&#039;s connection point was caked/covered with sludge/debris.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have used the CRC electronic parts cleaner to clean my O2&#039;s and put them all back in. I haven&#039;t run the vehicle on the road yet pending exhaust work, but I have started it for 5 minutes twice and got no CEL. I have the 4 wire heated sensors too. My method of cleaning involved soaking the sensor element in the CRC electronic parts cleaner in a cap for the sensor for 2 hours, spray clean again afterwards, and let dry.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mainly I&#039;d like to know why/how a sensor &quot;wears out&quot; beyond physical damage as it seems the proper terminology would be &quot;O2 sensors become dirty and plugged over time causing their performance to degrade&quot;. I&#039;m not attacking you by any means, but I&#039;ve looked into this in depth on the web and it doesn&#039;t make sense to me how the sensor becomes useless if its not physically damaged and can be cleaned for reuse. Comments?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;searcherrr - on automotiveforums.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article.</p>
<p>If there has been no backfire or physical damage/trauma to the sensor then why can&#8217;t you simply clean the sensor element with CRC electronics parts cleaner or MAF cleaner?</p>
<p>From your photos my O2 sensor on the front upstream side had a coolant experience which I know I had a blown head gasket in the previous engine. Since then I&#8217;ve gotten horrible 9-11mpg with the new engine though I have also determined my MAS was dirty and cleaned it as well as a likely faulty radiator cap (lack of proper coolant level in engine) and low speed cooling fan resistor which likely all are contributing to the bad MPG.</p>
<p>There was also a misfire condition in the old engine causing fuel to go down the exhaust as well and the top of this sensor at the wire&#8217;s connection point was caked/covered with sludge/debris.</p>
<p>I have used the CRC electronic parts cleaner to clean my O2&#8242;s and put them all back in. I haven&#8217;t run the vehicle on the road yet pending exhaust work, but I have started it for 5 minutes twice and got no CEL. I have the 4 wire heated sensors too. My method of cleaning involved soaking the sensor element in the CRC electronic parts cleaner in a cap for the sensor for 2 hours, spray clean again afterwards, and let dry.</p>
<p>Mainly I&#8217;d like to know why/how a sensor &#8220;wears out&#8221; beyond physical damage as it seems the proper terminology would be &#8220;O2 sensors become dirty and plugged over time causing their performance to degrade&#8221;. I&#8217;m not attacking you by any means, but I&#8217;ve looked into this in depth on the web and it doesn&#8217;t make sense to me how the sensor becomes useless if its not physically damaged and can be cleaned for reuse. Comments?</p>
<p>searcherrr &#8211; on automotiveforums.com</p>
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